Wednesday 4 November 2015

Jones Lane vacant land and noise barriers

This is a long posting to address a couple of issues raised on the blog.

There has been a lot of chat on the blog on what we should do about the land next to HM on Jones Lane. Thanks to Elena, Nathan and Mario for these comments:

"Elena
Some thoughts for consideration:
A) should we lodge some kind of petition to the rms/council to clean up the south eastern garden and ensure there are no cars abandoned under the highway?
B) same as above regarding noise barriers installation, same as was done on other parts of the western distributor around the area
C) when everyone inspects their apartments next week - please share your comments/ views if you don't mind
Cheers

Nathan
A) not only the cars - some cars are from workers but most of them just free loader, dont understand why ranger never book this area. and someone setup a temp shelter / tent there looks creepy. 
B) i could really use this , one of my window is facing that distributor and people drive by could see through my window. but which authority should we send petition to??

Mario
Re- abandon cars - I don't think the cars that park there are abandoned - I only noticed the one vehicle that appears to be a home for someone. The other cars simply park there - (most Likely have been doing so for years to avoid paying for parking) 

I think in due course we will understand our surrounding area a little more once we have moved in."


For those wondering what this issue is, here is what it looks like next to Jones Lane. The overhead concrete bulk is the Western Distributor.



I have discussed this with Ceerose, the City of Sydney Council and Roads & Maritime Services (RMS), and here are the issues:

1. Prior to the construction starting on HM, this area was landscaped. But it was a blessing for Ceerose and tradesmen working on HM (and therefore, indirectly for all of us) because they were able to park there all day without cost. There was an unofficial agreement that it could be used for parking in the interests of getting the job done.

2. About a year ago, Ceerose told me that as part of the arrangement, Ceerose had agreed to remediate and landscape the area after HM was finished. When I asked about this recently, another Ceerose person said it had nothing to do with them, and was up to the owner of the land to fix it.

3. I contacted City of Sydney with this letter:

"For the last few years, the vacant land between Jones Lane and Bulwara Road (most of it is under the Western Distributor) has been used by the tradesmen for parking. It has also become known by the public as a place where you can park all day without cost, plus people sleep there. Someone has even pitched a tent.

Can you please advise what Council plans to do with this space following the completion of the development.

Without prompt action, it will become a dumping ground for garbage and waste. Much of it is covered by the road, so people will sleep there. Generally, the Council has been able to prevent people sleeping under the road in this area, including some urban art near Fig Street and Harris Street. It would also benefit from some dense landscaping.

But if left alone now, it will become a complete mess. Please advise what is planned."

4. I received this reply:

"Dear Graham,

The land you have highlighted (known as 209A Bulwara Rd Pyrmont) including the parking spaces, is owned by NSW Roads & Maritime Services(RMS), not Council.
You should refer your concerns to RMS using the attached web link: http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=feedback.form

I have found recent information about the homeless people in the area, one person is a NZ citizen and not eligible for rehousing, one person has been assisted to find accommodation by the NSW Housing initiative (Link2Home) and we have attempted to have the two homeless people reduce material, but we do not have power to move them on.

I hope that this information is of some assistance.
Kind Regards,

Andrew"

5. To which I responded:

"Thanks, Andrew. Appreciate the feedback.

Not sure I understand how someone can simply pitch a tent and stay there. I'm sure if I went to the Gold Coast or Byron Bay or Bondi and instead of paying for accommodation, I pitched my tent near the beach, it would not be long before I was moved on."

6. And they replied:

"Hi Graham,
Understood, the official Council response about the rough sleepers in Belmore Park (opposite the main entrance to Central Station) is: We wouldn’t support legislation that prohibits people sleeping in public places, however we recognise that setting up tents can infringe on the amenity of the park and people’s ability to enjoy the space with others. The City works to maintain the amenity of public places and ensure that all people who use our parks are able to access them safely. Homelessness is a complex issue and the City takes a compassionate approach. People who are sleeping rough are often disadvantaged, usually for very complex reasons. The City supports the NSW Government’s Protocol for Homeless People in Public Places, which promotes the rights of people who are homeless to access public spaces without discrimination.
That is only the City’s approach, not sure about the Gold Coast, Byron Bay or Bondi.
Kind Regards,
Andrew"

7. So then I contacted RMS which owns the land. After four phone calls, I finally found someone who knew about it, and he promised to find out more. His understanding is that now the work is finished, the RMS will landscape the area and ensure it is not used for general parking. He promised to call back and I will update the blog when I hear more. Good news I hope.

Noise barriers on the Western Distributor. 

We could try a petition as suggested by Elena and Nathan but based on my correspondence with RMS, success is unlikely. I attach two responses on the RMS Noise Abatement Program (NAP), in which they say, "The NAP only considers treatments for buildings with no more than two habitable levels due to the prohibitive cost." So HM is not eligible, although I guess we could apply if we were willing to pay for it ourselves. Should we explore this?

I wrote to RMS suggesting we should have barriers similar to those on the road about 100 metres closer to the city. Why are they there and not on the part outside HM?


RMS replied as follows:




10 comments:

  1. many thanks to elana and graham , very appreciated the effort you put for HM and community. hopefully RMS would act once the construction is finished. either way it should not be a place for parking, imagine a bit of green over the jones ln would make the neighborhood looked much better. for the sound barrier , we are looking at to shoulder 85% of the cost , probably residents facing east from Level G to Level 7 would be the ones interested. If that's the case we are looking at around 40 unit to share 85% of god-know-how-much, a pure guess 120k at least? if couple of thousands maybe the owners are willing, i know i am.

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  2. Hi Nathan, I spoke again to RMS again on Friday and they are inspecting the Jones Lane land on Monday (9 November) to see what is happening to it. He said they might initially put a fence around it to keep people out but he expected they would landscape it. The parking spaces in Jones Lane are also owned by RMS and they will probably stay.

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  3. I have been trying to get a hold of Sailesh Shakya from netstrada without success. Is there a direct number Graham you have that's different to what has been stated in this blog? My enquiry is regarding the building insurance policy

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  4. I have been trying to get a hold of Sailesh Shakya from netstrada without success. Is there a direct number Graham you have that's different to what has been stated in this blog? My enquiry is regarding the building insurance policy

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  5. Hi Mario, I called him on the number our solicitors received in the email. Direct: 8567 6450 or you could try the Office: 8567 6400.

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  6. Hi Graham, Elana and the other Purchasers,
    Thank you for being so proactive about the various issues surrounding Harbour Mill. To throw my thoughts in the mix:
    A) Jones Ln land, homeless tent and cars "abandoned"=chaotically parked. I fully agree all this needs to be sorted out and happy to take part in dealing with rms where required after we move in. I know that homelessness is a conplex issue and will be hard to resolve. As an example - we live in an apartment block in Surry Hills where homeless people sleep in the park which BELONGS to the building (!!!), they leave drug needles in the park belogning to the residents (!!!) and the local council and police cannot do anything about it! However wob Harbour Mill, I remember the homeless tent was not there few weeks ago - only the cars. I also hope that RMS will sort out the garden and the cars thanks to Graham taking firm action.
    B) Noise barriere - I think before we decide on this, we should first move in and see how noisy it is in reality and which units will benefit the most from the noise barriers etc. I also note significant redevelopment is expected in the area in the next 5-10 years, so it is very likely the barriers may be installed anyway as part of this but this is some time away
    C) Mario, could you please share your findings on the insurance policy with everyone on this blog, if you don't mind? Thank you
    D) Building management: I totally agree a good building manager is a must. Also, in the building where we live, they use a very good online system for resident communications with notifications going into resident's emails. Resident can post ads about selling things or other matters - this is very convenient. i will find out what this system is, maybe we can deploy this for harbour mill
    E) settlement process: has anyone received any occupancy certificates? Our solicitor has received nothing as of today. Also, I found out our lender can't do the valuation until the strata plan has been registered, so we have to wait much longer. Is everyone else the same or are your lenders already doing valuation inslectuons next week???
    Thank you All,
    Cheers,
    Elena

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  7. PS apologies for all the typos

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  8. Reply from RMS:

    Good morning Mr Hand,

    Thank you for your email with regards to a parcel of land owned by the Roads and Maritime Services between Bulwara Road and Jones Lane, Pyrmont.

    RMS is aware of the issues of the issues you have raised. I attended the property on Monday this week and we are working with the appropriate agencies to resolve the issues you have raised as soon as possible.

    Please feel free to contact me directly if I can be of any further assistance in this matter.

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  9. Thanks you Graham and Elana for your effort getting these info. Much appreciated

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